FYI about Catalina GTG

Mahigeer

Senior Member
#1
Last week I was in Avalon fishing the Mole and overheard a local.
The construction of the new facilities at Mole is to begin sometime in April or May.

Although I have heard so many dates before and did not happen, this one may be correct.

Therefore, any GTG to be held there should be before. The hotel prices should be lower due to off season.
 

Mahigeer

Senior Member
#3
Thanks for the link.

I see a lot of trees where we fish!

I think it is time for us to write a letter to supervisor Han and others (Harbor Master) as to where is the fishing area?

With notification that Cabrillo Mole is a California designated fishing pier and our right to fish is in the California Constitution.

Time to get active.
 

TheFrood

Well-Known Member
#4
Thanks for the link.

I see a lot of trees where we fish!

I think it is time for us to write a letter to supervisor Han and others (Harbor Master) as to where is the fishing area?

With notification that Cabrillo Mole is a California designated fishing pier and our right to fish is in the California Constitution.

Time to get active.
I think those are just unfortunately colored umbrellas/sunshades
 

Mahigeer

Senior Member
#5
I don't think so. They look like similar to what is there on Pebbly Beach Rd. Trees.

There seem to be seating area as well where we fish. On the ocean side.

We need to write to the Mayor, City Attorney and the Harbor Master. regarding our rights to fish in California Constitution.
 

Mahigeer

Senior Member
#6
I talked to a lady at the Fish and Wildlife and she said she will try to get me information of Angler's right to fish the California designated piers.
 

Mahigeer

Senior Member
#7
Here are the back-and-forth emails to F&W.

Original Ask/Inquiry:
A member of the public is a concerned angler in Catalina and has questions about the possible closure of a pier and not permitting fishing. Mr. Naheed stated he is asking if there is a section in the California Constitution which gives people a right to fish. He is asking about saltwater fishing and whether there is something in the law which gives people the right to saltwater fishing.
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From: Wildlife Ask Marine [mailto:AskMarine@Wildlife.ca.gov]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 4:24 PM
Cc: Wildlife Ask Marine <AskMarine@Wildlife.ca.gov>
Subject: RE: Requesting call back re saltwater fishing rights questions

Hi,

So glad we were able to connect, and I hope this helps answers some of your questions.

Californians often feel strongly about both available fisheries and regulations on access. Some assert that Article 1, Section 25, of the California Constitution seems to give the public a “right to fish.” It states “The people shall have the right to fish upon and from the public lands of the State and in the waters thereof…provided, that the legislature may by statute, provide for the season when and the conditions under which the different species of fish may be taken.”

However, this “right to fish” is not absolute. In 1918, the California Supreme Court considered whether a law providing for the licensing of fishermen was unconstitutional because it violated Article 1, Section 25. The court rejected the argument, finding that the provision authorizing the Legislature to fix the seasons and conditions under which fish are taken was intended to leave the matter in under the Legislature’s discretion [Paladini v. Superior Court (1918) 178 Cal. 369]. As recently as 1995, a court reaffirmed the qualified, not fundamental, right to fish and that the language of the State Constitution was not intended to curtail the ability of the Legislature (or the Fish and Game Commission through legislated authority) to regulate fishing [California Gillnetters Association v. Department of Fish and Game (1995) 39 Cal.App.4th 1145].

Section 25 must be read in connection with article 4, section 20 (formerly section 25½), which states that the Legislature may enact appropriate laws for protection of fish and game, and may delegate to the Fish and Game Commission such powers relating to protection and propagation of fish and game [Ex parte Parra (1914) 24 Cal.App. 339, 340]. In that respect, the California Supreme Court found it “most apparent” that the purpose of (now) article 4, section 20 “was to clothe the Legislature with ample power to adequately protect the fish and game of the state.” Further, the California Supreme Court has long declared that the power to regulate fishing has always existed as an aspect of the inherent power of the Legislature to regulate the terms under which a public resource may be taken by private citizens [In re Phoedovius (1918) 177 Cal. 238, 245-246; People v. Monterey Fish Products Company (1925) 195 Cal. 548, 563]. This regulatory power clearly includes the regulation of fishing within MPAs [Section 2860, FGC].

Sincerely,
Wildlife Ask Marine
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From:
hashem Nahid
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2024 2:14 PM
To: Wildlife Ask Marine <AskMarine@Wildlife.ca.gov>
Subject: RE: Requesting call back re saltwater fishing rights questions

Thank you very much for the email.
However, it does not help or answer my question.
I am basically asking if the city of Avalon can close or reduce the area to fish in a California registered public pier? The Cabrillo Mole.
They have already by the way of floats, landings, etc. reduced the railing space to fish at the Green Pleasure Pier which is also a California registered public pier.

Thank you in advance for any help in providing written documents.
Regards,
Hashem Nahid

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From: Wildlife Ask Marine [mailto:AskMarine@Wildlife.ca.gov]
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2024 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: Requesting call back re saltwater fishing rights questions


Hi Hashem,

CDFW cannot guarantee that individual piers, jetties, or breakwaters will be open to the public. The landowner, in this case the City of Avalon, may close these areas for safety, maintenance, or other reasons at any time.

Sincerely,
Wildlife Ask Marine
 

Ken Jones

Administrator
Staff member
#8
It is pretty clear the state would not become involved in this dispute. I am willing to draft an UPSAC letter to the city regarding fishing at the Mole, a letter we would cc to the Coastal Conservancy (which is sometimes one of the best friends of anglers), BTW, I don't think those are trees, I imagine they are shade structures for people waiting for a boat.
 

TheFrood

Well-Known Member
#9
Considering that east of the harbor is a mini-SMCA and that the only way to fish this area is from the mole...

"Lover's Cove SMCA
It is unlawful to injure, damage, take, or possess any living, geological, or cultural marine resource, EXCEPT:
Recreational take by hook-and-line from Cabrillo Mole only is allowed. Feeding of fish for marine life viewing is allowed."

So basically there will be no where to fish, other than in the harbor, if space on the mole is reduced. Will Avalon Bay then
be made into a new SMCA to try to prevent fishing from shore in the the harbor?
 

Mahigeer

Senior Member
#10
a) I am certain that the green round circles are plants. There seem to be a lot of them including the ones at the parking lot. Why shade in parking lot?

The area #5 in the picture looks like a lot of seats.



b) They have signs and frown upon people fishing from the floats and the rocks toward the bay. Also, too many chains for the Bouyes.



c) For years now there is hardly any space to fish at the Green Pleasure Pier. Especially when they tie a new float at the end of the pier in spring and summer.



My hope is that the money would not be available quickly, and the project is delayed.