Happy New Year To All Here

#1
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That's where I'm at. I've felt this way since the Archives vanished, but tried to maintain a positive attitude and read the message board in hopes of enlightenment. Alas, that is not transpiring. We hardly see reports from current fishing outings, let along from this century. You may ask where my reports are. I stopped because they are of no value. With the Archives there was a database in which one could peruse and learn from experienced anglers. You could find excellent material regarding species and technique. There were some superb fisher folks who are now gone, or might as well be. So too often the board is dominated by one person. The rather mawkish anecdotal posts we get spooned out to us are hardly worthy substitutes. And there are but a handful of regular posters other than the site founder. But one does not even live or fish in California. Another provides look-at-me pictures with no data; just the latest meat-hunter slaughter. Others are happy glad-handers who like everything the Skipper posts. It does not advance the concept of pier or shore fishing. Worse, this maudlin clinging to the past. I am 71 and know there is considerably less time ahead than behind, but I live in the present.

Oh, we won’t give in
Let’s go living in the past

Ian Anderson



Do not dwell in the Past
Buddha


Don’t let the past remind us
Of what we are not now

Stephen Stills


If memories were all I sang
I’d rather drive a truck

Ricky Nelson


With the past, I have nothing to do; nor with the future. I live now.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
 

Ken Jones

Administrator
Staff member
#3
We could shut down the site or shut down the message board but I still feel there is a tremendous amount of material on the site that can be used to educate those that want to improve their understanding of California pier fishing. Hate to just remove it.

But, the small number that posts on the message board is extremely disappointing, more to me than anyone else. Anyone have ideas how to improve the site in a manner that would make it a better site, one that engages and gets more anglers involved?
 

TheFrood

Well-Known Member
#4
If the site fades and just becomes a social site for a few people that use it, that's not really a problem either.
You have a few ways to go with this. You can spend tremendous effort and do significant fundraising, put a
transition plan in place to bring in new leaders as you phase yourself out to relax and focus on other projects
and/or family. Or you can push yourself to actively grow and expand the site, bring in additional staff and
volunteers to help with outreach, promotion, and fundraising, working to establish a greater presence and
hosting and sponsoring events. Finally, you can just do a few quiet things but maintain the site as a passion
project and means of social interaction for the people that choose to.

I'm not recommending any of these actions and don't feel that any of them are "correct" in an ethical or
obligatory sense. Mainly because while I try to be an ethical sportsman and am pretty rigorous in following
the "leave no trace" ethos, I don't feel a calling to participate in large scale outreach and education for our
activity. Mainly because I know how much stress, effort, and huge amounts of energy and motivation it will
require to do successfully and I have other personal priorities that at this time push other things not only
into second place but a distant second place at that.

As for how to improve the site and get more people involved in it, you need to engage with other social
media platforms MUCH more actively. A complete revamp would be necessary to appeal to younger digital
natives in a manner that they prefer to use. A dedicated app at the very least that would allow tie-in with
other platforms, auto account creation using Apple/Google/FB/etc account, some kind of gamification of
the site that gives a sense of score-keeping (likes, etc) with badges, accomplishments, etc. Interactive fishing
logs that would let people post real-time when they are out fishing to show their catch, pin their locations,
or any of many other things that run counter to what the current users of this site enjoy (attracting more
people, fishers, and spectators to places that we can now go for some low-key relaxed fishing and making
spot-burning an almost into a triggered event with each report). Getting a dedicated IT team to build, update,
and add functionality to the site would be a big step for this. Preferably a group that can do native apps as
well as the mobile web based development. Just as an FYI, roughly 60-65% of all web traffic originates from
mobile devices now, and only 2-5% of mobile web traffic is from tablets... So the vast majority of web traffic
is from people using their cell phones. If you want more traffic and more activity, THAT is the group you need
to appeal to.

That's the catch-22 for this activity. In order to have enough people involved to have a big enough lobby and
voice to be heard to keep it accessible for ourselves, it needs to be popular enough and accessible for every
one. Otherwise it's just a matter of time until we all become poachers when fishing by members of the public
gets regulated to the point that it's not really feasible to follow the rules because there will be just so many of
them.
 

TheFrood

Well-Known Member
#5
As an aside, are the archives gone or are they just inaccessible now? They would be an awesome resource to
use for training an AI that could answer questions about fishing...
 

Ken Jones

Administrator
Staff member
#6
My fault. I thought we had already posted a link to the archives, at least as far back as the second message board. I know Rich and I discussed it and I can swear it was posted. But I don't see it now. I will check with Rich. I know I copied hundreds of the old threads and have slowly posted many of them, such as the two earlier today.
 

TheFrood

Well-Known Member
#7
NotebookLM can use the archives as source material and answer questions based on that info... The interesting thing about NotebookLM
is that it doesn't look for info. It only references the source material you specify for it. So NotebookLM that is set up to reference the archives
would ONLY use info from the archives when answering questions.

Here is a chat I had with Google Gemini (Google's open AI) about NotebookLM... The second prompt in the chat is particularly informative...
https://gemini.google.com/share/bccf79882e8c

**EDIT**
actually the last prompt was a question was about the best tool for getting info out of the archives and it was an interesting and informative
response.
 
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moonshine

Well-Known Member
#8
"But one does not even live or fish in California."

Hey, that's me! 😃
Sorry, but I still love this site. It takes me back to a time in my youth that I really enjoyed. California piers remind me of my long gone youth when my life was simpler. When Ken posts pics of his little brother in his western duds, I think I get it. I don't live in California anymore, but for better or worse, part of my heart hangs on in the past. PFIC is a place I enjoy for the nostalgic appeal it has for me. I'll keep reading until the moderators slam the lid on this joint. Thanks
 

TheFrood

Well-Known Member
#10
"But one does not even live or fish in California."

Hey, that's me! 😃
Sorry, but I still love this site. It takes me back to a time in my youth that I really enjoyed. California piers remind me of my long gone youth when my life was simpler. When Ken posts pics of his little brother in his western duds, I think I get it. I don't live in California anymore, but for better or worse, part of my heart hangs on in the past. PFIC is a place I enjoy for the nostalgic appeal it has for me. I'll keep reading until the moderators slam the lid on this joint. Thanks
That's one more thing that any expansion of the site would make sense to address... With the ease of communication and reach of the internet
it is really a small step to go from California focused pierfishing to focusing on national or international fishing crossing cultural and national
boundaries all due to having a common interest in fishing, seafood, and sustainable and ethical harvesting... Okay maybe I added that last bit
on my own :p but it's nice to dream, isn't it?