One of the early poast on PFIC and one of the roughest/most violent in nature.
Date: April 25, 2001
To: PFIC Message Board
From: jimbojack
Subject: Don’t let anyone handle your fish!
If you read aafrench’s Seal Beach Pier report from Sunday, you might recall his mention of a guy catching a big shovelnose guitarfish. This fish was probably 4'+ and around 30 lbs. The guy that caught it is a regular and I’ve talked to him once or twice and have learned a lot from watching him. He catches more sharks and rays than anyone I’ve seen out there and his name is Ruben. Here is the rest of the story as told by an old wind surfer who knows Ruben and most of the regulars at Seal Beach. His info has always been reliable in the past, but I will ask Ruben next time I see him.
Ruben had already gutted the fish and it was laying on the deck while he was doing some more fishing. Some guy and his kid come up and the father asks Ruben if he could hold the fish and show it to his son. Ruben obliged and the dad is showing the fish to his kid and telling him all about it. After he was done showing his son the fish, he throws it over the side into the ocean!
I don’t know about you, but if someone did that to my fish, I wouldn’t let them get away with it. I think after I broke his jaw, I would toss him over the rail and tell him he better not come out until he has my fish. I guess Ruben was mad but didn’t do anything except chew the guy out. The guy's excuse was that he didn’t think that Ruben wanted the fish. How lame! It was already gutted! I wonder if this guy isn’t some commie pinko, tree hugging, green peace PETA animal Nazi? It would be just like Peta to be using a new tactic like this. I always get attention when I catch a shark and lots of people will want to touch the rough skin, but I don’t think I will let anyone hold my fish. Makes me mad just thinking about it! Jim
Posted by stinkyfingers
Either way - no excuse. “thinkers” Some people may say, “Oh, he’s not PETA.... he just didn’t know any better.” To those I say - It does not matter one bit. The guy is a flippin' idiot in that case. An absolute moron that deserves to get pounded. What if I walk up to some big guy working on his truck and pick up the carburetor off the ground to show my kid, and then throw it away because I “thought he didn’t want it.” Stop “thinking”! – you’ll only hurt yourself and the ones around you. I hate people that “think” like that...
Posted by Songslinger
Morons. I suppose they serve a purpose on Earth, but I still don’t know what that would be. Can’t be very good for the gene pool...
All I Want Is A Fair Fight
Posted by stinkyfingers
They’re purpose in life is to make us feel better about ourselves on our worst days. Because at our worst, most of us are better than they at their best....And I’m sure they find a creative way to take themselves out of the gene pool. DARWIN!
Hey: Anyone got a link for Darwin awards?
Posted by baitfish
MORONS AND THEIR ANTIQUATED PURPOSE... It is my theory that morons are here from years of evolution. Imagine yourself in the Stone age... There are two groups of people walking by, one is the Stone Age MENSA group and the other is Morons Anonymous (Stone Age Moron's Anonymous would be redundant. Along comes a Sabertooth tiger. Now the Mensa group had a lookout for things like this and ran the other way. However the stupid people don’t see the Sabertooth until they notice that Fred and Bob haven’t been around much in the last 5 minutes. But with the three of them left, they think ooh what a pretty kitty, let’s pet it...So this means that The strong have survived and the weak are now Sabertooth Kabobs. However the only true predator we now have is one of our own and that enemy is the Moron. Shouldn’t there be a “Wack a Moron on the Head Day”? I wonder what the Bag limit on Morons is? ...Hmmmmm
Posted by Red Fish
Please release all morons you catch unharmed [EOM]
Posted by The Fishin Magician
Darwin Awards & The problem with Darwin's theory is that the idiots, morons, and otherwise stupid people are the ones that reproduce much faster than the smart ones. If we could just sterilize them all...Later, Adam
Posted by lucy
Pet Food—“Moronburgers” for your dog. “Moron kitty chow” for your cat.
Ground-up moron bones processed into fake cuttlefish for your parrot to chew on. Little “moron pellets” for your hamster, gerbil, rabbit, and other rodent pets.
Posted by Nufo
You may find this mean but we need to find some way to thin the herd and some people just shouldn’t reproduce. I have a few friends who are about to have kids and man there ain’t no way I would want any of there genes. What ever happened to common sense? A few weeks ago I was coming home from an early morning pig hunt up in Livermore and some idiot passes me on a double line coming into a blind curve. I was doing 60 in a 50 zone. I felt like running this guy down and dragging him out of his car. He could have killed himself, me, and anyone else on the road. It was a Saturday too. What could possibly be so important your willing to risk peoples lives over?
Posted by stinkyfingers
I get FURIOUS on the road. I’ve actually been bumped by a truck that was on my tail. If that happens again, the guy's gonna find bullet holes in his windshield and his head. I don’t care - I'll blow out my own back window without hesitation, especially in this day and age. I don't f### around when it comes to endangering my life or the ones I love. No room for patience, zero tolerance, absolute rage and insanity - strike down the evils of this world and “no remorse, no repent - we don't care...what it meant.” After all - it IS considered ADW=Assault with a Deadly Weapon - that weapon being a car. By the way: on the HUNT. I've never been out for oinkers, because I can't afford to pay for access to a “hunt ground”, and I don't know anyone that owns property. When you went in Livermore(near me), did you go on private property? Or was it a public land where I may go? Virgin here begging for help.
Posted by fishfinder
I saw the same type thing happen at Santa Monica Pier. I guy came up and saw the fisherman's bucket full of nice 1-1/2 to 2 pound range perch and reached in and grabbed the one that was freshly flopping around and threw it back The only difference is that the fisherman began to severely beat the offender with an eight foot Penn rod. I guess Penn rods are good for more than just fishing after all.> The cops had to come out and pull the guy off.
TL
Posted by lucy
Now, that's the proper response! Beat the fool with your rod (even better if it's an Ugly Stik—it’s SO appropriate). Test the reel on his head to see if it’s really as tough as the manufacturer claims! Then, while he’s lying stunned on the ground, trying to get up, stomp his rotten little fingers to mush. Guarantee, he’ll NEVER go near anybody's fish bucket again, much less steal a fish from it. (Yes, I said “steal.” The fish was the rightful property of the person who caught it. When the guy reached into the bucket and took it, that was theft same as if he’d stole something from the guy’s tackle box.)
Posted by aafrench
Don’t let anyone handle your fish! I think anybody with any common sense would realize that a gutted fish sitting on the pier was meant to be a keeper. This guy probably has a problem with fishing and fisherfolk and thought it was his place to take some action. I think he needed to be slapped upside the head with a 7’ Ugly Stick. Where is Redfish when you need him? Andrew
Posted by Red Fish
Amen. [EOM]
Posted by Snookie
Fishermen are protected with laws. These laws are to keep persons such as the one mentioned from throwing a legitimate catch back into the ocean or fresh water. It has to do with the food for the fisherman. At the moment I can’t recall the law, but I will try to remember what it is and report the info to the message board. Snookie
Posted by Joseph
It’s really dumb for someone to do that to your fish and especially if you have spent so long to catch one at that, but considering the reaction of some of you of what you are capable of doing to a person who does that to your fish and for a fish for that matter, I certainly will advise to anyone who will listen not to touch your fish or face hell fire. I’m sure California Justice will protect you for your action and for a fish for that matter...Joseph
Posted by lucy
Like I said—STEALING. I don't know about any specific laws protecting a fisherman’s catch, but there certainly are laws against theft, and stealing a fish out of somebody's bucket or whatever is definitely theft. And by the time you add up the cost of your fishing equipment, license, bait, travel expenses, plus the time spent catching the fish, it’s not exactly “petty” theft, either! After going to all that expense and effort and time to catch a fish, that fish is MINE and anybody to tries to steal it is going to get the same reaction he'd get if he tried to steal my wallet or steal my fishing equipment.
Posted by Joseph
Now that I got your attention, have you ever fished Albany pier? Yes, it no longer exists but there are other productive piers in the Bay Area that I thank local governments and organization for making it possible for me to have a place to fish and enjoy life to the fullest. Yes I am thankful and mostly thankful for KEN's msg.board which provides me reliable info of piers from you pier rats out there. I have given away more fish within the context of the law then what was stolen from me. I guess I am still ahead of the game and don’t share your view of justice and revenge. May you catch lots of fish and more than you can use and I wonder if you know what that means...Joseph
Posted by stinkyfingers
Please clarify. I’m trying to fully understand your post. Like when you say you gave away more fish “within the context of the law” than what was stolen from you - what does that mean? Thank you for providing an alternative viewpoint, but I really doubt that you or anyone else would be happy having ANYTHING stolen from them. Sure, if someone breaks into your house and robs you, you may choose not to physically subdue them, but rather let them get away, or see if the cops can ever find him(ha!). But I think most people will do whatever is necessary to CAPTURE the thief and MAKE HIM PAY.
Posted by Joseph
Stinkyfingers, I catch lots of fish as I believe you do too. I give more away than I keep. If someone was to steal or result in a way as that poor guy who’s fish was thrown overboard by some dingdong. I would be angry but not to the point of going beserk and end up on the short end of the stick. Losing a fish in this matter is no way the same as someone breaking into your house but if you believe that I make sure I don’t touch your fish. Now if you put a strip of squid (about 2 inch long and 1/4 inch wide at the end of your lure (rat-trap or hair-raiser) you just might catch more fish. Learned that from thee old salt.........and it works.... See ya at the piers.....Joseph P.S. Something about scent eh.
Posted by stinkyfingers
Joseph, Personally - I do NOT see someone taking my fish exactly the same as breaking into my house. Breaking into my house leaves anyone little chance for survival. Even if I didn’t have to pop him, I'd probably bust him up pretty good. I was just using that example as an extreme, and now that I think more - it really doesn't fit. If someone throws away a good keeper of mine - I'll be pis.... Would I start a fight over it? Probably not. I’ve been getting a lot better with my temper recently, for example: Some guy at the gas station yesterday was totally eyeballing my girl, and then I guess he said something rude in the store about her. I saw RED, and I was unable to have a conversation with anyone for about 15 minutes, because my brain was in a state of insane rage. But after 15 minutes, I was able to speak again, and stop shaking and gritting my teeth. My only apology is to my girl, who suffered from losing her boyfriend for that period of 15 minutes while my brain was “gone.” So, I guess the moral of the story is: Reactions should not exceed the actions that caused them.
Posted by Joseph
You my man good buddy. Ever tried the arm that connects Lake Merrit (Oakland) to the Bay by the flood control gates. Good for stripers and occasional steelhead during May and into June. Use to catch stripers in Lake Merrit itself but haven’t tried lately but will try next month. Catch those fish... Joseph
Posted by Cruelpoet
I’m an outdoorsman and a naturalist. I hunt and fish and I'm a tree hugging member of the Sierra Club. The guy who threw away Ruben's fish was an ass, plain and simple. Please don’t make generalizations regarding people’s ideologies. There are plenty of “conservative” environmentalists and, considering the state of the, once communist, countries, there are very few “pinko-commie” conservationists.
Posted by jimbojack
To Cruelpoet. Touche` Cruelpoet, point well taken. I wish that conservative conservationalists would make their voices heard louder than the extremists such as PETA who seem to get more press and media coverage (not that I pay much attention to the general media). I admire you for your convictions and beliefs and in all fairness this idiot may have had no other agenda than being an idiot. But in counterpoint to your communist reference, some of the EXTREME groups like PETA want animals to have all the same rights as humans and that is extreme communism. Everything shared equally. Even with animals. No communist nation was ever truly communist. They were/are corrupt totalitarian dictatorships disguised as communism. I am all for conserving nature. I just believe where possible, groups should raise money and buy forests rather than whine that the taxpayers should foot the bill. Then, that group owns the land, and no one including the government can tell them to develop it or plunder it's resources. Capitalism and conservatism. I understand that this can't apply to ocean-based conservation since no one has found a legitimate way to own pieces of it yet. Sorry to have offended you Cruelpoet. Enough of political crap. I have fishing to think about. Jim
Date: April 25, 2001
To: PFIC Message Board
From: jimbojack
Subject: Don’t let anyone handle your fish!
If you read aafrench’s Seal Beach Pier report from Sunday, you might recall his mention of a guy catching a big shovelnose guitarfish. This fish was probably 4'+ and around 30 lbs. The guy that caught it is a regular and I’ve talked to him once or twice and have learned a lot from watching him. He catches more sharks and rays than anyone I’ve seen out there and his name is Ruben. Here is the rest of the story as told by an old wind surfer who knows Ruben and most of the regulars at Seal Beach. His info has always been reliable in the past, but I will ask Ruben next time I see him.
Ruben had already gutted the fish and it was laying on the deck while he was doing some more fishing. Some guy and his kid come up and the father asks Ruben if he could hold the fish and show it to his son. Ruben obliged and the dad is showing the fish to his kid and telling him all about it. After he was done showing his son the fish, he throws it over the side into the ocean!
I don’t know about you, but if someone did that to my fish, I wouldn’t let them get away with it. I think after I broke his jaw, I would toss him over the rail and tell him he better not come out until he has my fish. I guess Ruben was mad but didn’t do anything except chew the guy out. The guy's excuse was that he didn’t think that Ruben wanted the fish. How lame! It was already gutted! I wonder if this guy isn’t some commie pinko, tree hugging, green peace PETA animal Nazi? It would be just like Peta to be using a new tactic like this. I always get attention when I catch a shark and lots of people will want to touch the rough skin, but I don’t think I will let anyone hold my fish. Makes me mad just thinking about it! Jim
Posted by stinkyfingers
Either way - no excuse. “thinkers” Some people may say, “Oh, he’s not PETA.... he just didn’t know any better.” To those I say - It does not matter one bit. The guy is a flippin' idiot in that case. An absolute moron that deserves to get pounded. What if I walk up to some big guy working on his truck and pick up the carburetor off the ground to show my kid, and then throw it away because I “thought he didn’t want it.” Stop “thinking”! – you’ll only hurt yourself and the ones around you. I hate people that “think” like that...
Posted by Songslinger
Morons. I suppose they serve a purpose on Earth, but I still don’t know what that would be. Can’t be very good for the gene pool...
All I Want Is A Fair Fight
Posted by stinkyfingers
They’re purpose in life is to make us feel better about ourselves on our worst days. Because at our worst, most of us are better than they at their best....And I’m sure they find a creative way to take themselves out of the gene pool. DARWIN!
Hey: Anyone got a link for Darwin awards?Posted by baitfish
MORONS AND THEIR ANTIQUATED PURPOSE... It is my theory that morons are here from years of evolution. Imagine yourself in the Stone age... There are two groups of people walking by, one is the Stone Age MENSA group and the other is Morons Anonymous (Stone Age Moron's Anonymous would be redundant. Along comes a Sabertooth tiger. Now the Mensa group had a lookout for things like this and ran the other way. However the stupid people don’t see the Sabertooth until they notice that Fred and Bob haven’t been around much in the last 5 minutes. But with the three of them left, they think ooh what a pretty kitty, let’s pet it...So this means that The strong have survived and the weak are now Sabertooth Kabobs. However the only true predator we now have is one of our own and that enemy is the Moron. Shouldn’t there be a “Wack a Moron on the Head Day”? I wonder what the Bag limit on Morons is? ...Hmmmmm
Posted by Red Fish
Please release all morons you catch unharmed [EOM]
Posted by The Fishin Magician
Darwin Awards & The problem with Darwin's theory is that the idiots, morons, and otherwise stupid people are the ones that reproduce much faster than the smart ones. If we could just sterilize them all...Later, Adam
Posted by lucy
Pet Food—“Moronburgers” for your dog. “Moron kitty chow” for your cat.
Ground-up moron bones processed into fake cuttlefish for your parrot to chew on. Little “moron pellets” for your hamster, gerbil, rabbit, and other rodent pets.
Posted by Nufo
You may find this mean but we need to find some way to thin the herd and some people just shouldn’t reproduce. I have a few friends who are about to have kids and man there ain’t no way I would want any of there genes. What ever happened to common sense? A few weeks ago I was coming home from an early morning pig hunt up in Livermore and some idiot passes me on a double line coming into a blind curve. I was doing 60 in a 50 zone. I felt like running this guy down and dragging him out of his car. He could have killed himself, me, and anyone else on the road. It was a Saturday too. What could possibly be so important your willing to risk peoples lives over?
Posted by stinkyfingers
I get FURIOUS on the road. I’ve actually been bumped by a truck that was on my tail. If that happens again, the guy's gonna find bullet holes in his windshield and his head. I don’t care - I'll blow out my own back window without hesitation, especially in this day and age. I don't f### around when it comes to endangering my life or the ones I love. No room for patience, zero tolerance, absolute rage and insanity - strike down the evils of this world and “no remorse, no repent - we don't care...what it meant.” After all - it IS considered ADW=Assault with a Deadly Weapon - that weapon being a car. By the way: on the HUNT. I've never been out for oinkers, because I can't afford to pay for access to a “hunt ground”, and I don't know anyone that owns property. When you went in Livermore(near me), did you go on private property? Or was it a public land where I may go? Virgin here begging for help.
Posted by fishfinder
I saw the same type thing happen at Santa Monica Pier. I guy came up and saw the fisherman's bucket full of nice 1-1/2 to 2 pound range perch and reached in and grabbed the one that was freshly flopping around and threw it back The only difference is that the fisherman began to severely beat the offender with an eight foot Penn rod. I guess Penn rods are good for more than just fishing after all.>
The cops had to come out and pull the guy off.TL
Posted by lucy
Now, that's the proper response! Beat the fool with your rod (even better if it's an Ugly Stik—it’s SO appropriate). Test the reel on his head to see if it’s really as tough as the manufacturer claims! Then, while he’s lying stunned on the ground, trying to get up, stomp his rotten little fingers to mush. Guarantee, he’ll NEVER go near anybody's fish bucket again, much less steal a fish from it. (Yes, I said “steal.” The fish was the rightful property of the person who caught it. When the guy reached into the bucket and took it, that was theft same as if he’d stole something from the guy’s tackle box.)
Posted by aafrench
Don’t let anyone handle your fish! I think anybody with any common sense would realize that a gutted fish sitting on the pier was meant to be a keeper. This guy probably has a problem with fishing and fisherfolk and thought it was his place to take some action. I think he needed to be slapped upside the head with a 7’ Ugly Stick. Where is Redfish when you need him? Andrew
Posted by Red Fish
Amen. [EOM]
Posted by Snookie
Fishermen are protected with laws. These laws are to keep persons such as the one mentioned from throwing a legitimate catch back into the ocean or fresh water. It has to do with the food for the fisherman. At the moment I can’t recall the law, but I will try to remember what it is and report the info to the message board. Snookie
Posted by Joseph
It’s really dumb for someone to do that to your fish and especially if you have spent so long to catch one at that, but considering the reaction of some of you of what you are capable of doing to a person who does that to your fish and for a fish for that matter, I certainly will advise to anyone who will listen not to touch your fish or face hell fire. I’m sure California Justice will protect you for your action and for a fish for that matter...Joseph
Posted by lucy
Like I said—STEALING. I don't know about any specific laws protecting a fisherman’s catch, but there certainly are laws against theft, and stealing a fish out of somebody's bucket or whatever is definitely theft. And by the time you add up the cost of your fishing equipment, license, bait, travel expenses, plus the time spent catching the fish, it’s not exactly “petty” theft, either! After going to all that expense and effort and time to catch a fish, that fish is MINE and anybody to tries to steal it is going to get the same reaction he'd get if he tried to steal my wallet or steal my fishing equipment.
Posted by Joseph
Now that I got your attention, have you ever fished Albany pier? Yes, it no longer exists but there are other productive piers in the Bay Area that I thank local governments and organization for making it possible for me to have a place to fish and enjoy life to the fullest. Yes I am thankful and mostly thankful for KEN's msg.board which provides me reliable info of piers from you pier rats out there. I have given away more fish within the context of the law then what was stolen from me. I guess I am still ahead of the game and don’t share your view of justice and revenge. May you catch lots of fish and more than you can use and I wonder if you know what that means...Joseph
Posted by stinkyfingers
Please clarify. I’m trying to fully understand your post. Like when you say you gave away more fish “within the context of the law” than what was stolen from you - what does that mean? Thank you for providing an alternative viewpoint, but I really doubt that you or anyone else would be happy having ANYTHING stolen from them. Sure, if someone breaks into your house and robs you, you may choose not to physically subdue them, but rather let them get away, or see if the cops can ever find him(ha!). But I think most people will do whatever is necessary to CAPTURE the thief and MAKE HIM PAY.
Posted by Joseph
Stinkyfingers, I catch lots of fish as I believe you do too. I give more away than I keep. If someone was to steal or result in a way as that poor guy who’s fish was thrown overboard by some dingdong. I would be angry but not to the point of going beserk and end up on the short end of the stick. Losing a fish in this matter is no way the same as someone breaking into your house but if you believe that I make sure I don’t touch your fish. Now if you put a strip of squid (about 2 inch long and 1/4 inch wide at the end of your lure (rat-trap or hair-raiser) you just might catch more fish. Learned that from thee old salt.........and it works.... See ya at the piers.....Joseph P.S. Something about scent eh.
Posted by stinkyfingers
Joseph, Personally - I do NOT see someone taking my fish exactly the same as breaking into my house. Breaking into my house leaves anyone little chance for survival. Even if I didn’t have to pop him, I'd probably bust him up pretty good. I was just using that example as an extreme, and now that I think more - it really doesn't fit. If someone throws away a good keeper of mine - I'll be pis.... Would I start a fight over it? Probably not. I’ve been getting a lot better with my temper recently, for example: Some guy at the gas station yesterday was totally eyeballing my girl, and then I guess he said something rude in the store about her. I saw RED, and I was unable to have a conversation with anyone for about 15 minutes, because my brain was in a state of insane rage. But after 15 minutes, I was able to speak again, and stop shaking and gritting my teeth. My only apology is to my girl, who suffered from losing her boyfriend for that period of 15 minutes while my brain was “gone.” So, I guess the moral of the story is: Reactions should not exceed the actions that caused them.
Posted by Joseph
You my man good buddy. Ever tried the arm that connects Lake Merrit (Oakland) to the Bay by the flood control gates. Good for stripers and occasional steelhead during May and into June. Use to catch stripers in Lake Merrit itself but haven’t tried lately but will try next month. Catch those fish... Joseph
Posted by Cruelpoet
I’m an outdoorsman and a naturalist. I hunt and fish and I'm a tree hugging member of the Sierra Club. The guy who threw away Ruben's fish was an ass, plain and simple. Please don’t make generalizations regarding people’s ideologies. There are plenty of “conservative” environmentalists and, considering the state of the, once communist, countries, there are very few “pinko-commie” conservationists.
Posted by jimbojack
To Cruelpoet. Touche` Cruelpoet, point well taken. I wish that conservative conservationalists would make their voices heard louder than the extremists such as PETA who seem to get more press and media coverage (not that I pay much attention to the general media). I admire you for your convictions and beliefs and in all fairness this idiot may have had no other agenda than being an idiot. But in counterpoint to your communist reference, some of the EXTREME groups like PETA want animals to have all the same rights as humans and that is extreme communism. Everything shared equally. Even with animals. No communist nation was ever truly communist. They were/are corrupt totalitarian dictatorships disguised as communism. I am all for conserving nature. I just believe where possible, groups should raise money and buy forests rather than whine that the taxpayers should foot the bill. Then, that group owns the land, and no one including the government can tell them to develop it or plunder it's resources. Capitalism and conservatism. I understand that this can't apply to ocean-based conservation since no one has found a legitimate way to own pieces of it yet. Sorry to have offended you Cruelpoet. Enough of political crap. I have fishing to think about. Jim