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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:59 pm
Mikeriv


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I caught and released about 5 of these in the early morning. Very aggressive biters.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:46 pm
makairaa


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Salema, put one back out as bait.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:51 am
sea_forager


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If you eat that fish you will get highhhhhhh
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:34 am
makairaa


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sea_forager wrote:
If you eat that fish you will get highhhhhhh

2 different fish called salema. The california version is fine and will not cause hallucinations like the other one.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:58 am
Mahigeer


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I usually catch them at night at the Mole.

Big eyes to see in the dark.

First impression is...is it a stripped bass?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:40 am
sea_forager


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makairaa wrote:
sea_forager wrote:
If you eat that fish you will get highhhhhhh

2 different fish called salema. The california version is fine and will not cause hallucinations like the other one.


Well that's a shame. I definitely know people that specifically target dreamfish for that reason and heard anecdotally that all members of that family were fair game in terms of producing the toxin.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:49 pm
Ken Jones


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Location: California

Grunts—Family Haemulidae

Salema

Species
: Xenistius californiensis (Steindachner, 1876); from xenitius (strange sail, in allusion to the dorsal fin) and californiensis (in reference to California as a geographic area).

Alternate Names
: Bass, big eye, big eye bass, striped bass and lima perch. In Mexico called salema, pajarillo or ojotón.

Identification
: This pretty little fish resembles a striped bass in shape and is even striped, but both color and range is different. Salema have a bass-like body, very large eyes, and 6-8 orange-brown horizontal stripes on the side. Their coloring is iridescent blue-green above, and silvery below; tail fins orange-brown. They will often also make a grunting noise when removed from the water. They are sometimes mistaken for small striped bass.

Size: Up to 12 inches but most caught off piers are only 6-8 inches long.

Range: Found from Peru to Monterey Bay but reportedly most common south of Dana Point. My records however show they are most commonly caught from piers between Oceanside and Santa Monica. They are uncommon north of Point Dume and rare north of Santa Barbara.

Habitat: Shallow-water rocky areas and in kelp beds. Salema are usually found in schools and though primarily nocturnal feeders they also forage (and bite) during the day. The young often school with juvenile sargo and black croaker.

Piers: Best bets: Oceanside Pier, San Clemente Pier, Seal Beach Pier, Belmont Veterans Pier (Long Beach), Hermosa Beach Pier, and Manhattan Beach Pier. I have also taken quite a few from the Cabrillo Mole in Avalon but only during nighttime hours. In addition, I have seen a number taken from the Port Hueneme Pier and Ventura Pier—both supposedly in areas where salema are considered uncommon.

Shoreline
: Rarely taken by shore anglers.

Boats: Rarely taken from boats.

Bait and Tackle
: These fish will take most small baits on a size 6 or 8 hook, including small pinhead anchovies. Most, however, are caught on mussels, bloodworms, or a small strip of anchovy or mackerel. Fish around the pilings and fish from just off the bottom to mid-depth.

Food Value:
Salema are a mild-flavored fish, best suited for pan-frying.

Comments: Although this is a small fish, its relative scarcity and attractive appearance make it a worthwhile catch (and they give a good, rugged little battle when caught on ultra-light tackle). I've always thought they would make a beautiful saltwater aquarium fish.
I’m not sure where the name derives but there is a small fishing village on the coast of Portugal named Salema.
In 2006 Practical Fishkeeping Magazine reported: “Men hallucinate after eating fish. Two men have suffered terrifying visual and auditory hallucinations after eating a popular local seafish in Mediterranean restaurants... the men started seeing and hearing things after contracting a rare form of hallucinogenic poisoning from the Salema fish they were dining on... The effects of eating ichthyoallyeinotoxic fishes, such as certain mullet, goatfish, tangs, damsels and rabbitfish, are believed to be similar to LSD, and may include vivid and terrifying auditory and visual hallucinations. This has given rise to the collective common name for ichthyoallyeinotoxic fishes of ‘dream fish’. The poisoning can start to cause vivid hallucinations within minutes of eating a poisonous fish and may last for days, often with no other effects. There is no antidote... Indoles, with similar chemical effects to LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) are believed to be responsible and may be consumed when the fish eat algae or phytoplankton containing the chemicals. All of the species affected by ichthyoallyeinotoxism are algal grazers. Others have claimed that different species of ichthyoallyeinotoxic fishes, such as Kyphosus fuseus, contain much more potent hallucinogens, such as dimethyltryptamine or DMT, which is considered to be one of the world's most mind-bending hallucinogenic chemicals... Sarpa salpa, the fish consumed by the men was a member of the Sparidae family and is commonly known as the Salema porgy... According to the paper, Sarpa salpa was consumed as a recreational drug in the Mediterranean during the Roman Empire.” So there you have it, the salema in California were not the culprit in this strange episode of hallucinogenic poisoning even though California, especially the Haight-Ashbury District of San Francisco, would seem a natural place for such an occurrence.



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:30 pm
pinfish


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caught one on shelter island pier san diego several years ago. pretty fish
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:46 pm
Trumbo


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Be sure and wash it down with Donald Duck orange juice.
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