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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:22 pm
ucscrab


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Location: Upper Monterey Bay
csmerril wrote:
There is no Sturgeon from where I am from (Central Coast) but I am curious to know if I ever go fishing where they are located, and I accidentally catch one, do I have to tag it (I am not familiar with tagging fish)? ... I usually go fishing just for fun and release mostly everything. So I am curious if I could catch and release them all year long if fishing just for fun. Some answers and info would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.


I'm not an expert on this, but I have a sturgeon report card. From what I understand: if you decide to keep it, you have to tag it. Otherwise you only need to record the size location etc. on your report card and turn that in at the end of the year
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:52 pm
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bigunindaboat wrote:
fatwalletskip wrote:
In some cases a reward is available.


Two of my buddies received big checks and certificates for turning in poachers,one was like $400 other pushing 6 bills. Both were for deer poachers though.



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:51 am
red fish


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Since this is a learning environment, I have one comment and suggestion on this. I do not believe people are understanding, reading, and interpreting the information presented here correctly. Some people that have pier fished exclusively and have never purchased a license are many times unaware of current fishing laws. There may be some confusion between the DFG sturgeon tagging process and the sturgeon punch card tags in which some sturgeon are tagged by DFG where they would like to get the tags returned if you catch one (sometimes a reward is issued). This could be where the confusion lies in the response "ONE TAGGED." I don't believe anyone would knowingly post anything they thought was wrong-doing if you examine it. That is my comment. My suggestion is the DFG explore other methods of getting out changes in regulations. I think this is a fair assumption in that I saw someone Valentine's Day measure out a legal fish, but not put a tag on it (maybe they were going to do it when they got to their car, I don't know?) I was going to tell them about it, but my GF urged me to not get involved, so I abided by here wishes this time. I did congratulate him on his way out (and would like to assume the best here that he was going to tag it when he gets to his vehicle). My point here (if it isn't apparent already) is that DFG needs to do a better job at advertising updates in the rules/punch card tags to people not possessing licenses because there are people out there that are misinformed/ confused; and then of course there are those that don't care.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:19 am
illcatchanything2


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csmerril wrote:
There is no Sturgeon from where I am from (Central Coast) but I am curious to know if I ever go fishing where they are located, and I accidentally catch one, do I have to tag it (I am not familiar with tagging fish)? ... I usually go fishing just for fun and release mostly everything. So I am curious if I could catch and release them all year long if fishing just for fun. Some answers and info would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.


The answer to your question could get complicated, but, in short, the answer is if you hooked one you would have to release it. You can not target Sturgeon without a Sturgeon report card in your possession. I have been questioned by wardens while targeting Sha/Ray's in the SF Bay closure area while the closure is in effect because my normal shark rig is the same rig most people use for Sturgeon. I had to show him my bait (squid), and still he was skeptical....... So it will be a little tough to convince a warden that you are not targeting sturgeon (unless you are fishing with 10# test) if you are fishing in a known sturgeon area. Best thing to do is grab a card (they are still free), then you are covered. Like Redfish said, even if you release it, you have to record the date, time, location etc that you caught it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:26 am
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boku wrote:
ONE TAGGED


OK, in the interest of you not getting a ticket, and blatant poaching not being posted on the board here is the deal:

If you kept 2 fish, both should have been tagged. Any sturgeon you keep MUST BE TAGGED.

If you gave one away, you still had to tag it. Fish given away count towards both your limit & the limit of the angler you gave the fish to. So assuming everything that you posted on the thread is correct, you can not longer even TARGET sturgeon..... Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but rules are rues..........
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:28 am
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illcatchanything2 wrote:
boku wrote:
ONE TAGGED


If you gave one away, you still had to tag it. Fish given away count towards both your limit & the limit of the angler you gave the fish to..........


You lost me here, wouldn't that be "double tagging" one sturgeon? I always thought that whoever tags the fish, that fish counts towards his limit.
For example my pal get s stuge, tags it and gives it to me because he does not like to eat it. I take the fish home and eat it, why should it counts towards my limit if he tagged it?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:40 am
red fish


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I always thought that whoever tags the fish, that fish counts towards his limit.
You have that exactly correct!
No confusion there. You catch a sturgeon; you measure it; finding it within the size of 46"-66," you tear off one of your three tags, fill it out and try to affix it to the fish (or at least hold it near the fish) until it leaves the fishing area. Then you can give it away. The tags must be sent back to the DF&G at the end of the year. Here is one from last year that I sent back as an example.

BTW-the confusion with ONE TAGGED is with the DF&G sturgeon tagging program where they have tagged a few fish themselves and you catch one and it already has one of DF&G's special tags on it (like the old striped bass tagging program). I hope this is clear or else someone can explain it better.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:11 am
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red fish wrote:
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I always thought that whoever tags the fish, that fish counts towards his limit.
You have that exactly correct!
No confusion there. You catch a sturgeon; you measure it; finding it within the size of 46"-66," you tear off one of your three tags, fill it out and try to affix it to the fish (or at least hold it near the fish) until it leaves the fishing area. Then you can give it away. The tags must be sent back to the DF&G at the end of the year. Here is one from last year that I sent back as an example.

BTW-the confusion with ONE TAGGED is with the DF&G sturgeon tagging program where they have tagged a few fish themselves and you catch one and it already has one of DF&G's special tags on it (like the old striped bass tagging program). I hope this is clear or else someone can explain it better.


You mean the unused tags have to be sent back, right? I've never sent back used tags. Just what is remaining on my punch card. And btw, I do not think Boku is a poacher. I just think he's just misinformed. If he was actively poaching and knew he was I'd doubt he would post on this board. jmo...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:00 pm
red fish


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You mean the unused tags have to be sent back, right? I've never sent back used tags


I don't think they have to be sent back because that Report Card does not state that. And logic would suggest that since there is an area to fill out for retained sturgeon. As well, the tags would have fish slime, blood and guts on them. I just sent back the used anyway.
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Here is a link on the sturgeon Report Card tags that may help some: http://www.calsport.org/12-1-08a.htm.
Below is a statement from DF&G that was issued previoulsy regarding the DF&G Tagging program:

Hi all,

We put reward tags (round white disks) on sturgeon dorsal fins so we can estimate annual survival and harvest rates, estimate abundance, learn about year-class strength, and understand migrations.

The more re-sightings of tagged sturgeon we hear about the better we can estimate survival rate, harvest rate, and abundance. We'd like a lot more re-sightings and I hope you'll help.

If you catch a tagged sturgeon --- whether you release it or not --- would you make a note on your Sturgeon Fishing Report Card so that we can tell which fish had the tag, the length of the fish, and the disk-tag number?

Thanks

Marty Gingras

Supervising Biologist (Fisheries)
California Department of Fish and Game
Bay Delta Region
4001 North Wilson Way
Stockton, California 95205

Phone (209) 948-3702
FAX (209) 946-6355
email mgingras@dfg.ca.gov
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:45 pm
red fish


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Mel/All, I have a question on this one for you:
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If you catch a tagged sturgeon --- whether you release it or not --- would you make a note on your Sturgeon Fishing Report Card so that we can tell which fish had the tag, the length of the fish, and the disk-tag number?



So, I imagine that DF&G would like you to write down the disk-tag number of ANY tagged fish you may catch: over, under, returned over-limit. Are you supposed to remove the tag on a fish that is released? I am thinking maybe to just write down the disk-tag number and leave it in the fish for further research data gathering? I have not caught any with a tag on the fish.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:50 pm
mel


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red fish wrote:
Mel/All, I have a question on this one for you:
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If you catch a tagged sturgeon --- whether you release it or not --- would you make a note on your Sturgeon Fishing Report Card so that we can tell which fish had the tag, the length of the fish, and the disk-tag number?



So, I imagine that DF&G would like you to write down the disk-tag number of ANY tagged fish you may catch: over, under, returned over-limit. Are you supposed to remove the tag on a fish that is released? I am thinking maybe to just write down the disk-tag number and leave it in the fish for further research data gathering? I have not caught any with a tag on the fish.


Oh, my mistake. I thought you were referring to mailing in the tag itself. Not the disc-tag. Out of all the sturgeon I've been catching so far I've never caught one with a dfg tag. Most of the time they're released in the water so I might've just missed it.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:05 am
illcatchanything2


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IRPescador wrote:
illcatchanything2 wrote:
boku wrote:
ONE TAGGED


If you gave one away, you still had to tag it. Fish given away count towards both your limit & the limit of the angler you gave the fish to..........


You lost me here, wouldn't that be "double tagging" one sturgeon? I always thought that whoever tags the fish, that fish counts towards his limit.
For example my pal get s stuge, tags it and gives it to me because he does not like to eat it. I take the fish home and eat it, why should it counts towards my limit if he tagged it?


You are probably right on the double tag thing, but I do know that the fish would count towards both limits, so if you & your pal were fishing together, both of you would have to stop targeting sturgeon for the day even if only 1 tage was used. As with any fish, if you give one away, it counts towards your limit AND the limit of the person who you gave it to.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:29 pm
red fish


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...For example my pal get s stuge, tags it and gives it to me because he does not like to eat it. I take the fish home and eat it, why should it counts towards my limit if he tagged it?

Daily bag and possession limits apply to individual anglers. Of course you can give any fish that you catch to another person, but those fish will count towards both your and the other person's daily bag and possession limits. The "boat limit" regulations of Section 27.60(e) do not apply to shore-based anglers..


It is to prevent over possession. Your limit is one for the day, if he gives you the one he caught, that counts towards his daily/annual limit (which he immediately removes and attaches a report card tag to) so he is done fishing for the day. If you accept it, and you are fishing with him, that is your limit for the day because of possession of a one fish limit. If you were to keep fishing and caught one, you would now have two in possession, and be over-limit.








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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:42 pm
mel


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I still can't see the point of tagging an oversized fish. If it's oversized and you keep it you're going to get busted tag or no tag. But it should still be recorded but not kept.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:22 am
illcatchanything2


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mel wrote:
I still can't see the point of tagging an oversized fish. If it's oversized and you keep it you're going to get busted tag or no tag. But it should still be recorded but not kept.


I think we are getting "tag" & "tag" mixed up..... I am pretty sure Red was talking about the DFG disc tags....
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