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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:10 pm

marty gingras

Posts: 106

Hi all,

California's white sturgeon and green sturgeon have been a substantial management concern for more than 100 years. The American Fisheries Society classifies our white sturgeon as 'conservation dependent', meaning the species would come close to extinction w/o very careful management. Green sturgeon are listed as a threatened species under the federal Endangered Species Act. Thus, the recreational fishing regulations --- along with other sorts of other activities that impact sturgeon --- have been getting more and more protective.

To cost-effectively improve the amount and quality of information with which we can manage sturgeon in California, and to help the Wardens to enforce the bag limits (1/day, 3/year) on white sturgeon, Sturgeon Fishing Report Cards were required beginning in 2007. The information from Sturgeon Fishing Report Cards is very important in its own right, but is also complementary to the other research we do on sturgeon.

Fishing regulation Sections 5.80 and 27.90, require (in part) that anyone fishing for or taking sturgeon shall have in their possession a nontransferable Sturgeon Fishing Report Card and use it properly.

Fishing regulation Sections 5.81 and 27.91 --- about the threatened green sturgeon --- says (in part) that anyone catching a green stureon incidentally to white sturgeon fishing shall report that catch on a Sturgeon Fishing Report Card.

Fishing regulation Sections 5.79 and 27.92 --- which address the proper use of Sturgeon Fishing Report Cards --- says this in part "A Sturgeon Fishing Report Card includes detachable tags that shall be used to tag any white sturgeon that is taken and retained in the sport fishery. Any white sturgeon possessed by any person shall be tagged."

Beginning with the 2010 Sturgeon Fishing Report Card, the regulations have also required that anglers make proper notations on their Sturgeon Fishing Report Card about catch of sturgeon to which DFG had applied a disk-tag --- whether or not the angler subsequently releases the fish.

DFG applies disk-tags to some sturgeon (both species; sizes range from about 40-80 inches) as part of a long-term study about population dynamics, and we get very valuable information about disk-tagged fish from anglers via their Sturgeon Fishing Report Cards.

Thanks

Marty Gingras
BDR-IEP Program Manager
California Department of Fish and Game
Bay Delta Region
4001 North Wilson Way
Stockton, California 95205

Phone (209) 948-3702
FAX (209) 946-6355
email mgingras@dfg.ca.gov

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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:17 pm

marty gingras

Posts: 106

Hi all,

Here are links to some of what we do with information from Sturgeon Fishing Report Cards and disk-tagged fish, and a report about putting disk tags on fish:

ftp://ftp.delta.dfg.ca.gov/Adult_Sturgeon_and_Striped_Bass/2010%20Sturgeon%20Card%20Complete%20Draft%20Version%201.pdf

ftp://ftp.delta.dfg.ca.gov/Adult_Sturgeon_and_Striped_Bass/White%20sturgeon%20status%20California%202011.pdf

ftp://ftp.delta.dfg.ca.gov/Adult_Sturgeon_and_Striped_Bass/2011%20Field%20Season%20Summary%20for%20Adult%20Sturgeon%20Population%20Study.pdf

Thanks

Marty Gingras
BDR-IEP Program Manager
California Department of Fish and Game
Bay Delta Region
4001 North Wilson Way
Stockton, California 95205

Phone (209) 948-3702
Phone (831) 372-2581
FAX (209) 946-6355
email mgingras@dfg.ca.gov

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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:32 pm

Khalid42

Posts: 85

Poachers will poach, you can cry all about it on the internet but try saying that stuff to some 6'6 250 lb gangsta Samoan dude on the pier when you see him poaching. Most of you guys cry about it on here and complain, but thats all you can do. Report it to the DFG and keep it moving. Thats the truth.

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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:14 pm

red fish

Posts: 1818
Location: Berkeley Pier

Information is provided for people that want to learn. As stated, It is my belief the original poster made a mistake between the DFG tagging program and the report card tags. I asked Marty to provide the correct information to add more clarity to the discussion (and kind of a synopsis). Casually mentioning to someone information about current rules they may be unaware of on a pier may save someone from an unwanted ticket.

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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:09 pm

glowWorm

Posts: 195

red fish wrote:

Information is provided for people that want to learn. As stated, It is my belief the original poster made a mistake between the DFG tagging program and the report card tags. I asked Marty to provide the correct information to add more clarity to the discussion (and kind of a synopsis). Casually mentioning to someone information about current rules they may be unaware of on a pier may save someone from an unwanted ticket.

true but how much do you want to bet he's still out there going for #4,5,6, etc? Regs or not, some people will still claim ignorance and rape our natural resources. I'm still wondering whether boku will respond to this entire thread.

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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:41 pm

red fish

Posts: 1818
Location: Berkeley Pier

glowWorm wrote:

red fish wrote:

Information is provided for people that want to learn. As stated, It is my belief the original poster made a mistake between the DFG tagging program and the report card tags. I asked Marty to provide the correct information to add more clarity to the discussion (and kind of a synopsis). Casually mentioning to someone information about current rules they may be unaware of on a pier may save someone from an unwanted ticket.

true but how much do you want to bet he's still out there going for #4,5,6, etc? Regs or not, some people will still claim ignorance and rape our natural resources. I'm still wondering whether boku will respond to this entire thread.

You would have lost that bet last Tuesday, because he was not out there. Some people do rape our natural resources, there is no doubt about that, and some don't know what the rules are. Boku asked me about directions on how to post a picture on here and thanked me for the directions I gave him utilizing Microsoft Paint. He also has pictures on Fish Sniffer. From the information/responses posted previously, it was apparent to me that there was confusion regarding the bag-limit/tagging process. Now, the correct information has been presented and dissected. Someone reading this discussion now, could decipher the correct information if they sought it, and if they still are confused, I am sure one of their fishing buddies can explain it. As to whether someone will respond to this thread, I don't know? With some of the ridicule that happens around here I don't know if I would want to be subjected to that myself even if I made an honest mistake. And, personally, I made an honest mistake (12 years ago) and posted it on this board (still in the search archives), and surprisingly, was ridiculed by NO ONE. Pescare (an old moderator) caught me on it: I said, I think, "Oh, I didn't know, thanks for making me aware." And that was that--it made me a better person and angler.

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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:50 pm

marty gingras

Posts: 106

Hi all,

One more thing about poaching will round-out this thread pretty well. It's the matter of selling wild sturgeon or "parts thereof".

Fish and Game Code Section 7370 says in part, "For purposes of this section, it is prima facie evidence that a sturgeon, or parts thereof, is possessed for commercial purposes if the possession of sturgeon is more than two times the sport bag limit." That means Enforcement can charge illegal commercialization of anyone with 2 or more sturgeon w/o having to know they sold any.

Fish and Game Code Section 12006 says in part, "The punishment for a violation of Section 7370 is a fine of not less than five thousand dollars ($5,000), or more than ten thousand dollars ($10,000), imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, or both the fine and imprisonment. It also says this in part, "The court shall permanently revoke any commercial fishing license or commercial fishing permit, and may permanently revoke any sport fishing license issued to the violator by the department. Any vessel, diving or other fishing gear or apparatus, or vehicle used in the commission of an offense subject to this section may be seized and may be ordered forfeited by the court pursuant to subdivision (c) of Section 12157."

There are monetary penalties on top of fines, so the total dollar penalty is bigger (much bigger) than Fish and Game Code reads.

Those Fish and Game Code sections are law --- Bills passed by the Legislature and signed into law by a Governor --- whereas the bag limits and such are regulations established by the California Fish and Game Commission. Selling wild sturgeon is a big (bad) deal.

Take care

Marty Gingras
BDR-IEP Program Manager
California Department of Fish and Game
Bay Delta Region
4001 North Wilson Way
Stockton, California 95205

Phone (209) 948-3702
Phone (831) 372-2581
FAX (209) 946-6355
email mgingras@dfg.ca.gov

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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:47 pm

tranbaby2

Posts: 1101
Location: Lagos, Nigeria

red fish wrote:

glowWorm wrote:

red fish wrote:

Information is provided for people that want to learn. As stated, It is my belief the original poster made a mistake between the DFG tagging program and the report card tags. I asked Marty to provide the correct information to add more clarity to the discussion (and kind of a synopsis). Casually mentioning to someone information about current rules they may be unaware of on a pier may save someone from an unwanted ticket.

true but how much do you want to bet he's still out there going for #4,5,6, etc? Regs or not, some people will still claim ignorance and rape our natural resources. I'm still wondering whether boku will respond to this entire thread.

You would have lost that bet last Tuesday, because he was not out there. Some people do rape our natural resources, there is no doubt about that, and some don't know what the rules are. Boku asked me about directions on how to post a picture on here and thanked me for the directions I gave him utilizing Microsoft Paint. He also has pictures on Fish Sniffer. From the information/responses posted previously, it was apparent to me that there was confusion regarding the bag-limit/tagging process. Now, the correct information has been presented and dissected. Someone reading this discussion now, could decipher the correct information if they sought it, and if they still are confused, I am sure one of their fishing buddies can explain it. As to whether someone will respond to this thread, I don't know? With some of the ridicule that happens around here I don't know if I would want to be subjected to that myself even if I made an honest mistake. And, personally, I made an honest mistake (12 years ago) and posted it on this board (still in the search archives), and surprisingly, was ridiculed by NO ONE. Pescare (an old moderator) caught me on it: I said, I think, "Oh, I didn't know, thanks for making me aware." And that was that--it made me a better person and angler.

you might be right red but there's still 10 months left this year.

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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:13 am

IRPescador

Posts: 665
Location: Concord, CA

red fish wrote:

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...For example my pal get s stuge, tags it and gives it to me because he does not like to eat it. I take the fish home and eat it, why should it counts towards my limit if he tagged it?

Daily bag and possession limits apply to individual anglers. Of course you can give any fish that you catch to another person, but those fish will count towards both your and the other person's daily bag and possession limits. The "boat limit" regulations of Section 27.60(e) do not apply to shore-based anglers..

It is to prevent over possession. Your limit is one for the day, if he gives you the one he caught, that counts towards his daily/annual limit (which he immediately removes and attaches a report card tag to) so he is done fishing for the day. If you accept it, and you are fishing with him, that is your limit for the day because of possession of a one fish limit. If you were to keep fishing and caught one, you would now have two in possession, and be over-limit.

Ha! That is much clear now...As I understand now, when I accept the fish it will count towards my possession limit, but not towards my "tag" limit, thanks!!
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:55 pm

Sequence

Posts: 81

ARgggghh! gosh I hate poachers so much... even if it is done unintentionally. You should know the rules Boku or don't fish!! Sturgeon take a long time to mature and are slow to reproduce...they can easily be overfished and put into extinction. I hope this guy gets convicted so he can learn the hard way.

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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:55 pm

KAHUNA

Posts: 102

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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:22 am

illcatchanything2

Posts: 4404

marty gingras wrote:

Hi all,

One more thing about poaching will round-out this thread pretty well. It's the matter of selling wild sturgeon or "parts thereof".

Fish and Game Code Section 7370 says in part, "For purposes of this section, it is prima facie evidence that a sturgeon, or parts thereof, is possessed for commercial purposes if the possession of sturgeon is more than two times the sport bag limit." That means Enforcement can charge illegal commercialization of anyone with 2 or more sturgeon w/o having to know they sold any.

Fish and Game Code Section 12006 says in part, "The punishment for a violation of Section 7370 is a fine of not less than five thousand dollars ($5,000), or more than ten thousand dollars ($10,000), imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, or both the fine and imprisonment. It also says this in part, "The court shall permanently revoke any commercial fishing license or commercial fishing permit, and may permanently revoke any sport fishing license issued to the violator by the department. Any vessel, diving or other fishing gear or apparatus, or vehicle used in the commission of an offense subject to this section may be seized and may be ordered forfeited by the court pursuant to subdivision (c) of Section 12157."

There are monetary penalties on top of fines, so the total dollar penalty is bigger (much bigger) than Fish and Game Code reads.

Those Fish and Game Code sections are law --- Bills passed by the Legislature and signed into law by a Governor --- whereas the bag limits and such are regulations established by the California Fish and Game Commission. Selling wild sturgeon is a big (bad) deal.

Take care

Marty Gingras
BDR-IEP Program Manager
California Department of Fish and Game
Bay Delta Region
4001 North Wilson Way
Stockton, California 95205

Phone (209) 948-3702
Phone (831) 372-2581
FAX (209) 946-6355
email mgingras@dfg.ca.gov

I think Marty prety much covered everything that we need, and he is right, his post does round out this thread pretty well.......

So lets move on, and if you need in further info, contact Marty. He has always been more than willing to help any of us that ask.

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